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Red tags?

I got red tags after adding a source to Harley Sheffield. Can you fix it? NurseTN (talk) 04:09, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. TLPG 00:58, January 14, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! NurseTN (talk) 04:05, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Ask An Autistic/AskAnAutistic

Hi TLPG,

AskAnAutistic is separate from the video series; it is a community gathering place where anyone can answer questions (not just Schaber). The hashtag and the video series have little in common except their names. Thus, I think it might be confusing to readers if we put them on the same page.

MissLunaRose (talk) 20:49, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi. I’ve given you admin and bureaucrat rights on this wikia as you requested. You now have the tools you need to clean up, customize and maintain the wikia.

Check out your Admin Dashboard, which can by found by clicking "Admin" on the bottom toolbar -- it has links to all your new tools. Please let me know if you have any questions, and good luck with your new (old) wikia! -- Wendy (talk 04:50, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Merrystar! Already working through it and acting! TLPG 06:32, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Autistic Enemy category

Hi TLPG,

We (FANDOM) have had a complaint about your Autistic Enemy category. I can understand the person's unhappiness with this label. I would argue that these people are not enemies of autism, they just have a different opinion to you. They are doing what they feel is best for themselves and their children, whether that is misguided or not.

Labeling them as "enemies" is demonizing them, just as some demonize autism.

Your notice says that the articles in this category are "verifiable truth or valid opinion", but it's difficult for a reader to see which is which - they are often opinion that claims to be fact.

But I am not asking for changes to the articles (at this point), just the removal of the "Autistic Enemy" category.

Thank you for listening. -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 20:43, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Sannse, thanks for making contact. The Autistic Enemy label needs to stay, and allow me to explain why.
For a long time, Autism has been subjected to varying levels of hate. This hate can be compared to most if not all forms of racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-semitism and so on. The basis of this hate is fear, and as the saying goes from Star Wars - Fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffered. We as Autistics are suffering.
The category is for people or organisations that exploit this hate, either out of ignorance or intentionally. The perfect example of ignorance comes from Christian Chandler. He has embarrassed us and severely. The article bears this out sourced by his own words or actions as displayed on the Sonichu website. Oliver Canby is similar. The whole point is to warn Autistics who not to listen to and/or stay away from certainly online. The views they hold, and indeed the views the others hold, are a threat to us. A very serious threat. That is not just a different opinion. That's like justifying the existence of hatred of Jews simple because Hitler did - and I think we know how wrong that is. They are not doing what is best for their children at all - they are in fact placing their child in danger, and that's not an opinion. That's a verifiable fact - whether it be harming their Autistic child with the wrong attitude towards it and increasing their sensory overload in the process, or by association promoting vaccines as responsible for Autism which leads to a threat to the whole community from disease.
This nonsense has to be stopped. Whoever complained (I think I know who it is but I won't put that here) is trying to hide from themselves. Autistics - children and adults - need to be respected and treated correctly and appropriately. That's what I've been wanting to do with the other articles elsewhere on this Wikia (how to go about doing that), but like a typical Autistic I've been easily distracted by other matters and I haven't got to it yet.
Now if you have an alternative suggestion to the Autistic Enemy category I'll listen. I hope I've explained why it needs to stay, and if you wish to discuss this further I'm happy to. This is an extremely serious issue - people have to stop what they are doing because it is doing harm to the Autistic community. Everyone in the enemy category is doing harm. The best idea though is to look at each article, and maybe discuss each one and identify where you believe the verifiable opinion and the facts are greyed up with each other. TLPG 07:54, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Additional - please inform the person who complained that they are hurting us (the Autistic Community). Whatever they believe, they are hurting us and badly, especially the children who need our help. Education doesn't work with these people. They don't listen to the facts about Autism. They want Autism gone, just like Hitler wanted the Jews gone - and no one is looking to stop people from demonising Hitler, and rightly so. I hate making that analogy but there is no better way to put it I'm afraid. TLPG 08:47, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Mate, Fandom wants Wikias to be positive. I think it would be better to do what she says and take your battle somewhere else like your own website. Yeah you've been hated on but by doing what you're doing you're no better than them. Be better than them. Show you can be better than them. Don't try to educate them. Educate everyone else. Stuff the haters. Don't give them air. Don't give them anything. If you persist Fandom might kick you out and you don't want that do you? HKPH (talk) 09:17, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Do you know what you just gave them with that suggestion, HKPH? A win. A victory. They want us to be quiet and not call them out. They want their share of the air so they can take advantage of newly diagnosed Autistics and full their minds with junk using our naivety as a weapon against us. That can not be allowed to happen. That's the reason why the category needs to stay. It's a protection measure. Now if "Autistic Enemy" can be replaced with some other term but we can keep the articles I'm all ears (or eyes to be strictly correct!) as I said to Sansse. I certainly can't think of anything off the top of my head. As said before the individual articles are a separate matter that should be treated one by one to clarify this grey area mentioned. This is important work. Being 100 percent positive in this area is impossible. Being nice (unfortunately) "doesn't feed to bulldog" as they say. You can't sweep stuff under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist. TLPG 11:26, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
It's not a win for them. You have your website to do the call outs and all the other things you do. I want you to stay here and I'm sure others do to. You're risking getting kicked off if you don't do as Sansse asks and someone who will spout the hate may take control of this Wikia and we can't have that! That's the win for them. Did you think that's what the complainer wants you to do? Fight the staff, even if it's evenly and fairly, and get booted. This is one fight you shouldn't start.
I've got another suggestion for a category. Unreliable sources. That's far less confronting, and just as true. They are unreliable. The page with the list can be changed to that as well. Problem solved. Do all your fighting elsewhere. Do all the positive stuff here - and maybe find a way to link the two. How about it? HKPH (talk) 22:49, October 19, 2018 (UTC)
I have done a blog entry now about this issue here. TLPG 10:49, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

Yuval Levental

Hi,

I have removed the page "Yuval Levental". Please do not restore it.

This has been a contentious page for a long time., with various claims added and removed and the article deleted and restored. As it is a page about a non-famous person (even if he is known within the autism community) Fandom will remove it on request or when we feel it is necessary to do so. Note that this is not a matter of free speach, as Fandom has the right to host or not host any content on the site. We are choosing not to host a page on this person.

I dislike being so blunt, but I want to be clear: if you replace this page, you will be banned from Fandom.

Regards -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 17:25, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

I am obviously angry about this decision as Levental has been spreading his message throughout Wikimedia and getting away with it (I am trying to bring down his lies and this article was an important part of this). I am just leaving this note as there will be a note that the article was restored but only to take a copy and it has been deleted again. As indicated in the edit summary it will be hosted elsewhere on the internet due to it's importance in the battle for Autism rights. Levental opposes those rights and he needs to be stopped somehow. TLPG 20:42, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Troublemaking

Just a note about the removal of a comment that was left here - when it should have been on The Vaccine Myth article. The user was belligerent and expecting things to be wide open here. Due to the volatile nature of matters in Autism, that just can't be allowed. The user also attacked the grammar of the article, which was insulting. While a couple of specific points were correct (ie the capitalisation of Autism and who produced and directed Vaxxed) to be told that Autism has an environmental development - read causation - is hate speech. The article linked talking about regression, which is entirely different. There is NO environmental component in causation of Autism. That is a fact. Also fact is the major role the Disneyland measles outbreak payed in a major policy change in California (SB277), something that this user ignored. Also fact is not linking unreliable sources in Wikipedia - which is distinct from other links which are allowed. The less unreliable sources linked that way the better.

As the user stated that they were not returning, I felt it appropriate to enforce that statement with an infinite block. Troublemaking of this variety is what is truly toxic. I will however be making some changes. There is no need for a consensus for it as other users are inactive. Seeking a consensus will slow matters down. TLPG 09:35, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

Bradys

Here's were Jake Brady and Robin Brady goes to school with autism https://www.mcsssd.info/ and https://www.cciu.org/Domain/59 User:Brady1960 didn't sign

https://thebradysofhamilton.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity

Here’s their grandpa https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/inquirer/obituary.aspx?pid=162957793

Here their pictures with their family https://www.instagram.com/p/uT3Q0jiaistXR-_B4tlYEudEIG__eIeIE41b00/ User:Brady1960 didn't sign

Brady1960 has a sock

Should warn you that Brady1960 has been globally blocked but she has created a sock by her own admission. https://rockyandbullwinklefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:25315

Suggest a pre-emptive block just in case she tries to come back here. Lucky01965 (talk) 23:13, April 18, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Lucky. I'll do that now and I'll clear the talk page as well. No need to keep that any longer. TLPG 12:20, April 19, 2020 (UTC)

Just as an update, she had more socks and they have all been blocked as has her IP. But she claims to be autistic. If she comes back in the future are you available to educate her on what she is doing wrong? She was making things up here as we know, but I seem to remember that's part of being autistic growing up isn't it? I'm not saying it's right. It may be that some genuine helpe is needed.

Oh and I had a look back at that new page that was created since you were last on this page. It looks to me like that user is putting this stuff up to promote autism as a bad thing. That user has also been on the Psychology Wikia with the same stuff. Lucky01965 (talk) 23:07, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

Yes and my fellow admin got rid of that and the other pages and banned that user. Now I've seen that the same user is now socking. I'll be dealing with it now. Re Brady - yes what you say is true, but now that she has been banned from Wikia/Fandom she shouldn't be back. TLPG 22:56, April 27, 2020 (UTC)

Albert Einstein

I added a photo Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 17:56, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

Reply

I didn't know I was supposed to add sources. The wiki I mostly edit doesn't have sources because it is a wiki without a theme. And also my profile is a joke (the "I live in..." refers to a fanon show I made for said wiki). I actually blanked it out just now, so now only my Discord tag is left.

I didn't know that you didn't want a page for Michael Fitzgerald on the wiki. I only made a broken link just in case. I personally dislike Fitzgerald because while I do believe there were some historical figures who were legitimately autistic, he relies on stereotypes, claims he is completely certain, and ignores other evidence for their behavior (such as possible mental illness). Also he has tried to claim that people like Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer were autistic and has written books linking autism to criminal behavior.

So do you think you should make a rule that says not to include anything relating to Michael Fitzgerald? Also, is Simon Baron-Cohen okay? I don't like him either but at least he is somewhat better. He is kind of sexist and, similar to Fitzgerald, he has also tried to link autism to school shootings.

Also, is it fine to make pages about the people who I listed on the Asperger's and Self-Esteem talk about? We already had the Einstein page so is it also fine to make pages about Thomas Jefferson, Charles Darwin, Gregor Mendel, etc?

Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 01:00, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

TLPG can over rule me if I say anything wrong here. Sources are needed because the Wikia.org sites like this one are more specialised interests than those on the Fandom.com sites. TLPG has said elsewhere that he wants this place to be the right place to go for Autism information over Wikipedia - a tall order. Baron-Cohen isn't okay because he thinks females on the Spectrum have male brains. I definitely don't see a problem doing an article on Jefferson. I might see if TLPG has anything to say about the others. NurseTN (talk) 07:52, July 28, 2020 (UTC)
The better known ones should be prioritised, and I would definitely encourage articles on Marie Curie, Charles Darwin and especially Mozart given that he lived before the first vaccine was invented. I'm with NurseTN on Baron-Cohen and I can confirm that I am looking to make this place competitive with Wikipedia given that over there they allow speculation from the negative side even though it's sourced. We won't have that here because it is just plain wrong, and no one can do anything about it either. If you need to know how to find and present sources please ask. TLPG 11:41, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

Reply (again)

Can Goodreads count as a source? The information on the page was from Wikipedia, and the Wikipedia page only had two sources (his obituary and Future Horizons) Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 00:21, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Look at this

my ideas for new pages

Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 02:37, August 19, 2020 (UTC)

No problem! Just concentrate on the better known ones first, and it would be an idea to work on them in your sandbox and when you want a review I can do that. NurseTN could probably do that as well as a fellow admin. Remember to use sources. TLPG 09:20, August 19, 2020 (UTC)

You should make a list of forbidden pages

Because you already have a list of unreliable sources, why not? New users can know which content cannot be added to the wiki. Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 05:26, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

I can answer that. No, that defeats the purpose of them being forbidden and could get us into trouble as TLPG has previously when he was told to get rid of pages that are now forbidden as an example. Twinkles86 (talk) 05:47, August 20, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Twinkles. Also, Mozart, a couple of forbidden pages are salted to prevent recreation or creation. In fact I think I'll salt those two that were brought up today now. TLPG 12:02, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

I don't go by Mozart.

Also remember what you said about Fitzgerald and Baron-Cohen? Those could also be forbidden pages, as well as their books. Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 17:58, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Well it's your user name and we don't have another name for you at present. It might be an idea to change the layout of your signature to reflect that.
Those two will be salted now, and if you know the names of their books I'll salt them too. TLPG 23:08, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Can the sandbox also include any people who were speculated to be autistic? Because the autistic people listed there are all diagnosed. For example, people like Mark Zuckerberg? Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 23:59, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

As long as you can source it, no problem. TLPG 11:19, August 22, 2020 (UTC)

Suspected Autistic people i listed as forbidden:

  • Bobby Fischer - noted antisemite, and also there is dispute over whether or not he was Autistic
  • Woody Allen - sexual abuse accusations
  • Dian Fossey - noted racist even within her own time period, but I'm also not 100% sure so she isn't in my sandbox

Also I redlinked some more pages I want to make soon.

Not related to sandbox but I have two ideas for the wiki as a whole.

  • First, should we get a category for savants such as Matt Savage or Kim Peek?
  • Second, should we add a template for potentially triggering or disturbing pages, such as ABA or the different murders?

Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 00:14, August 23, 2020 (UTC)

No if they are enemies are it is only suspected that they are Autistic, take them off the list entirely please. No, we don't add that category yet and we already have a warning template for the murders. There is no need for anything else. TLPG 11:55, August 23, 2020 (UTC)

The theme

The header looks beautiful but please change the background color. It's too bright and hurts my eyes. Many people on the spectrum see colors more intensely and get bothered by bright colors. Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 19:09, September 5, 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry if it hurts your eyes, but it's supposed to be Gold. Light it up Gold - the protest alternative to Light it up Blue (which Autism Speaks started). Blue is a sad colour, and it's also sexist as it promotes boys and pink is related to girls - along with the stench of Autism Speaks being attached to it. Also, the chemical symbol for Gold is Au, the first two letters of Autistic, and Gold is bright and valuable - as all Autistics are (except the ones who do the wrong thing). I hope you understand. TLPG 22:37, September 5, 2020 (UTC)

I'm already aware of the gold for autism. I just would much rather prefer a darker tone, like this or this.

Well neither of those are actually gold, but thanks for the site link because it did give the hex code for gold. I'll change it to that because I think it is darker than what I have. TLPG 12:07, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Those are still gold, just different shades. And yes they are darker. Mozart999 (talk) 441.png Wolfie 441.png 00:37, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

About the forbidden pages

Look at my latest blog post. I made a list of all of them and wrote down the reasons why they are forbidden. Only thing is that I need help with it. Some of the reasons listed are missing, and I need someone to help edit it.

And also, my sandbox needs to be updated to match the blog post and also there are a few typos. Can you edit it for me, or unlock it to let me edit it? And also I have a few new page ideas that I could add to it.

See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 17:47, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

No to the adding reasons - and I am deleting your blog entry because it defeats to purpose them being forbidden. They are not to be mentioned except when absolutely necessary. I am salting them progressively, and if anyone has an issue with not being able to create them they can ask me or NurseTN (the other admin). Giving reasons gives them publicity that this Wikia is not going to give them. Once they are all salted that part of your sandbox should be deleted as well for the same reason. TLPG 21:04, September 24, 2020 (UTC)
Can you at least unlock my sandbox so I can edit it? I need to fix some typos as well as update some things. I have new ideas for pages. Then after I'm done you lock it again. See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 21:16, September 24, 2020 (UTC)
As I said, I can deal with the typos if you let me know what they are. I advised you that there was to be no more additions otherwise until you started created articles from the redlinks, which is why the sandbox was locked to begin with. Updates can wait. TLPG 23:15, September 24, 2020 (UTC)
Can you please at least do the following:
  • Move John Donvan and Caren Zucker to the forbidden pages section, as they wrote a book that you already salted.
  • Add Jim Humble and Jillian Mai Thi Epperly because they both created false cures.
  • Add the two people whose now-deleted pages were created by a banned user.
  • Add The Mu Rhythm Bluff and The School of Hard Knocks as they were both written by a person who is salted.
  • And finally, this is not about a forbidden page but one that is listed as wanted: remove Alonzo Clemons because he is actually not Autistic; he actually became a savant due to a brain injury.
I'll deal with those ASAP although I'll have to look at Jillian and Alonzo because I've never heard of them. TLPG 23:33, September 25, 2020 (UTC)
That is fine. And also I just uploaded the image. I left a description saying that it is only to be used for my signature. See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 01:31, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
That's much better! TLPG 12:16, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
Salted Donvan, Zucker, the two deleted articles and the two books. Humble was already salted previously. Donvan and Zucker were also moved as suggested. I'll look up the other two when I can. TLPG 12:28, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
Last but not least, please remove Donald Triplett, Float, and Loop from the sandbox, as I already created them. See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 19:10, September 27, 2020 (UTC)

Can you remove my story?

Can you delete my story from this wiki? TheCuriousCatPerson (talk) 18:19, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

Can I ask why? TLPG 21:02, September 24, 2020 (UTC)


Because I don't feel comfortable having it up there anymore TheCuriousCatPerson (talk) 22:00, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

Okay - done. TLPG 23:12, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

Pages to remove from my sandbox

I already created the following pages:

  • Absolute pitch (it appears as Perfect pitch on the page)
  • Thomas Jefferson
  • Leo Kanner
  • Daniel Tammet
  • Writers on the Spectrum: How Autism and Asperger Syndrome Have Influenced Literary Writing

See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 13:45, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

I can do that. Please use my talk page for now as TLPG is apparently taking a break. NurseTN (talk) 06:41, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
I didn't know that. And also thanks! Exception forgot to remove Perfect pitch off of the page (it is on the wiki but it is a redirect to Absolute Pitch). See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 01:11, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
He didn't make it publicly known, man. Plainview (talk) 01:31, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
Then why didn't he leave a blog post first? See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 02:04, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
Mozart999, that is NONE of your business! That was a very rude query. Twinkles86 (talk) 05:11, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
I have done that other deletion, and Mozart999 I would suggest an apology. NurseTN (talk) 06:56, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
Mozart999, you need to apologise or further action will be taken. NurseTN (talk) 06:55, October 20, 2020 (UTC)

Okay I'm sorry. I wasn't meaning to be rude. See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 20:19, October 20, 2020 (UTC)

That's better, Thank you! NurseTN (talk) 06:46, October 21, 2020 (UTC)

Absolute Pitch

I added an image to the page, but when I added a caption it is not showing up. I edited the page a total of 12 times to try to fix it. Ever since the UCP migration, editing has become overly complicated. Do you know how to add caption> See my profile 441.png AuSome! 441.png 아우솜! 441.png Talk to me 00:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I had a look for TLPG - the caption appears when you hover the mouse over the picture. HKPH (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I think I know what you're after, Mozart999, and for that you need the infobox if I'm right. I'm still finishing the stocktake right now but when I do I'll see what can be done if anything. I have to admit I'm not a big fan of the new system either. TLPG 11:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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