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I told her about the the other vandalism as you saw on my blog. But I did not tell her to write that.
You've mentioned interest in autism rights and neurodiversity. I wanted to let you know that I'm currently working on adding more pages to the Autism Wiki about these subjects, including leaders of the movement, books, a few positive qualities associated with autism, and other things. I'm aiming to make it friendly to autistic people, and to teach non-autistic people a bit about the autistic community.
If you wanted to add things too, please feel free! It seems like you have quite a bit of experience in this area. Luna Rose didn't sign
I'm not sure how much time I'll have here given that I maintain another Wikia and I have been intensively involved with yet another. But I'll certainly be looking in. Not a fan of "leaders" as such because really we are all in the same battle and have equal rights within it. But those who get publicity for their efforts certainly deserve a mention. I also think we should be naming and shaming those who are hurting us and educating readers on these people and organisations as to why what they say is wrong and so on. Like parents of Autistics who preach the vaccines cause Autism BS and encouraging a shut down of such people where it hurts - Ginger Taylor springs to mind on that one. TLPG (talk) 02:20, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
The change to the WP page is about a month old. My reservation still stands that they're not actual pronouns, or worse, resurrected versions of current pronouns. Sadly, if I revert the WP article, it would be a violation of the policies there.--TwoTailedFox (talk) 00:21, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
- Already did. Changes to include those pronouns was made on August 11th with a cite to a Tumblr link. I agree that the anonymous IP added the pronouns as well, but it's far from the most recent attempt to do so.--TwoTailedFox (talk) 00:39, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
I was just wondering - are you an admin or (if your not), do you know any admin members I can talk to. I've got an idea for the wiki but would like to ask about it before doing it - just to make sure I'm not breaking any rules or wasting my time.
Thank you. :)
Thank you for responding and for the information; It's a shame that no admins are apparently active at the moment.
My idea is to start putting in articles about movies and tv shows that feature autistic characters (especially since the Autism Wiki already has an article about Kim Peek - who inspired Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man), such as Mercury Rising, Mozart and the Whale, Adam, Ben X, etc.
As well as this, we could maybe do what a lot of other wikis do and have articles about the characters within those shows. For example, the Disney Wiki will have articles about their movies/tv shows/games (such as The Nightmare Before Christmas for example) and then separate articles that talk about the characters within them (such as Jack Skellington). In terms of movies featuring autistic characters, you could have an article about the movie The Boy Who Could Fly and then a separate article about Eric Gibb - the mute autistic boy who is one of the movie's protaganists.
As I say, this is just an idea and up to you (and the admins, should any become active) about whether we should do it or not.
Thank you for your time. :)
I'm afraid I don't know how to use the sandbox.
In regards to the movies, I'm thinking their pages will mainly be like those on wikipedia - showing the plot and the general reception. For those talking about the fictional autistic characters, those will be more in depth.
Best of luck with the pages you want to edit. :)
I understand what you mean, and I do apologise. I'm afraid that I didn't know how to reset the main page back to how it was and I felt that leaving a hatred-filled message on the first page would be worse if I did nothing about it.As such, that's why I deleted the message and left a note - just in case anyone had seen the message.
Once again, I'm sorry for my actions.
Thoughts and Goals
I'm surprised, and willing to talk.
I hope you understand that I take improving the wiki seriously. To make this clear, I'll show you the Autism Spectrum category of wikiHow, where I have done most of my work in the past year. http://www.wikihow.com/Category:Autism-Spectrum I started and edited many of the articles there, and have been working with the community to build a top-notch and accepting collection. Please take this as a sign that I am not your enemy; I want to help the wikia grow.
Honestly, transgender issues seem fairly simple to me, but that may be because of the way I was raised. You wish to be called Autistic and TLPG (unless you have a different nickname you prefer?), so that is what I call you. Amelia Baggs asks to be called "Amelia" (and legally changed hir name) and to be referred to using sie/hir/hirs, so that's what I call hir. It would be rude to call you "with autism" when you want to be called "autistic" or to refer to you as a "she," and I wouldn't ever call a transgender person something that they didn't want to be called.
My priorities are:
- Supporting the dignity of a/Autistic people (autism acceptance, neurodiversity paradigm, shift away from pathologized/negative model, etc.)
- Acknowledging that it's okay to be different
- Reassuring a/Autistic people, especially the newly diagnosed, and parents of the newly diagnosed. Many of us grew up with a laundry list of things that were "wrong" with us, which is trash, so let's take out the trash and encourage others to be happy. I want to help them see that their childhood bullies were wrong about them.
- Creating a welcoming space for a/Autistic and ally editors
Some things I could see happening at Wikia:
- Continuing shift towards neutral/positive language in regards to autism; erasing all "autism is doom and here are 30 reasons why you'll DIE" garbage
- Cleaning up all these spam/empty pages
- More articles on autism symptoms, with neutral language and tips for managing them as needed, and articles on autism upsides
- Shifting focus towards a/Autistic readers first (loved ones second)
- More articles on anti-autism groups, so that others know whom to avoid
- Mutual links between WikiHow and Wikia resources
- More positive pictures of a/Autistic people (as an artist I could get cracking on this)
I feel that it's important for us to work together, as a community, with a positive focus. We can bounce around ideas, collaborate, build upon each other, and treat each other with respect and compassion. I've been blessed to have that at wikiHow, and I would like to find it here.
I take claims of misinformation very seriously, because I put a lot of research into what I do and would hate to get things wrong. I spent some time digging through things based on what you said, and here is the result.
I am defintely not in support of the "extreme male brain" theory, especially as a feminine person. Non-autistic theories of autism often get it wrong. (Hmm, maybe we could make a page debunking the male brain thing, next to the vaccine/mercury myth and other misconceptions.) My research suggests that the Autism Women's Network is friendly towards transgender (and nonbinary) people, based on their "About " page and statement on gender . My research on non-binary people suggests that mostly they are considered transgender , althougha few do not identify that way . Then there's the whole debate about the asterisk in "trans*," which looks like it is pretty much settled.
Do you have a source that the blog is fake?
Obviously autism is neither all sunshine and rainbows, nor an apocalyptic horror. A focus on positivity could be helpful to autistic people's self esteem, and we can do that while acknowledging that there are real struggles and sharing resources for dealing with the rough parts.
I was thinking about doing a page on murder that would deal with the myth of the autistic shooter (and also have a lot of information on caregiver murder, which is a much bigger and more real problem). I even started it, but my computer randomly shut itself down so I lost my work. This could include the speculations on autism and their harmful effects.
I feel a little uncomfortable about having long pages listing reasons why people are bad. I think that we should keep them short, sweet, and to the point, so that readers don't lose interest. (Besides, even a short summary of their actions would be pretty clear.)
I've started uploading a few illustrations. I plan to focus on autistic people stimming and otherwise looking clearly autistic, to promote the view that this is normal and not a big deal.
Also: how do you add the source in the image description thing? I don't know how to do this; could you teach me?
I look forward to working with you.
Ask An Autistic/AskAnAutistic
AskAnAutistic is separate from the video series; it is a community gathering place where anyone can answer questions (not just Schaber). The hashtag and the video series have little in common except their names. Thus, I think it might be confusing to readers if we put them on the same page.
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- Thanks, Merrystar! Already working through it and acting! TLPG 06:32, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
Autistic Enemy category
We (FANDOM) have had a complaint about your Autistic Enemy category. I can understand the person's unhappiness with this label. I would argue that these people are not enemies of autism, they just have a different opinion to you. They are doing what they feel is best for themselves and their children, whether that is misguided or not.
Labeling them as "enemies" is demonizing them, just as some demonize autism.
Your notice says that the articles in this category are "verifiable truth or valid opinion", but it's difficult for a reader to see which is which - they are often opinion that claims to be fact.
But I am not asking for changes to the articles (at this point), just the removal of the "Autistic Enemy" category.
- Sannse, thanks for making contact. The Autistic Enemy label needs to stay, and allow me to explain why.
- For a long time, Autism has been subjected to varying levels of hate. This hate can be compared to most if not all forms of racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-semitism and so on. The basis of this hate is fear, and as the saying goes from Star Wars - Fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffered. We as Autistics are suffering.
- The category is for people or organisations that exploit this hate, either out of ignorance or intentionally. The perfect example of ignorance comes from Christian Chandler. He has embarrassed us and severely. The article bears this out sourced by his own words or actions as displayed on the Sonichu website. Oliver Canby is similar. The whole point is to warn Autistics who not to listen to and/or stay away from certainly online. The views they hold, and indeed the views the others hold, are a threat to us. A very serious threat. That is not just a different opinion. That's like justifying the existence of hatred of Jews simple because Hitler did - and I think we know how wrong that is. They are not doing what is best for their children at all - they are in fact placing their child in danger, and that's not an opinion. That's a verifiable fact - whether it be harming their Autistic child with the wrong attitude towards it and increasing their sensory overload in the process, or by association promoting vaccines as responsible for Autism which leads to a threat to the whole community from disease.
- This nonsense has to be stopped. Whoever complained (I think I know who it is but I won't put that here) is trying to hide from themselves. Autistics - children and adults - need to be respected and treated correctly and appropriately. That's what I've been wanting to do with the other articles elsewhere on this Wikia (how to go about doing that), but like a typical Autistic I've been easily distracted by other matters and I haven't got to it yet.
- Now if you have an alternative suggestion to the Autistic Enemy category I'll listen. I hope I've explained why it needs to stay, and if you wish to discuss this further I'm happy to. This is an extremely serious issue - people have to stop what they are doing because it is doing harm to the Autistic community. Everyone in the enemy category is doing harm. The best idea though is to look at each article, and maybe discuss each one and identify where you believe the verifiable opinion and the facts are greyed up with each other. TLPG 07:54, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
- Additional - please inform the person who complained that they are hurting us (the Autistic Community). Whatever they believe, they are hurting us and badly, especially the children who need our help. Education doesn't work with these people. They don't listen to the facts about Autism. They want Autism gone, just like Hitler wanted the Jews gone - and no one is looking to stop people from demonising Hitler, and rightly so. I hate making that analogy but there is no better way to put it I'm afraid. TLPG 08:47, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
- Mate, Fandom wants Wikias to be positive. I think it would be better to do what she says and take your battle somewhere else like your own website. Yeah you've been hated on but by doing what you're doing you're no better than them. Be better than them. Show you can be better than them. Don't try to educate them. Educate everyone else. Stuff the haters. Don't give them air. Don't give them anything. If you persist Fandom might kick you out and you don't want that do you? HKPH (talk) 09:17, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
- Do you know what you just gave them with that suggestion, HKPH? A win. A victory. They want us to be quiet and not call them out. They want their share of the air so they can take advantage of newly diagnosed Autistics and full their minds with junk using our naivety as a weapon against us. That can not be allowed to happen. That's the reason why the category needs to stay. It's a protection measure. Now if "Autistic Enemy" can be replaced with some other term but we can keep the articles I'm all ears (or eyes to be strictly correct!) as I said to Sansse. I certainly can't think of anything off the top of my head. As said before the individual articles are a separate matter that should be treated one by one to clarify this grey area mentioned. This is important work. Being 100 percent positive in this area is impossible. Being nice (unfortunately) "doesn't feed to bulldog" as they say. You can't sweep stuff under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist. TLPG 11:26, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a win for them. You have your website to do the call outs and all the other things you do. I want you to stay here and I'm sure others do to. You're risking getting kicked off if you don't do as Sansse asks and someone who will spout the hate may take control of this Wikia and we can't have that! That's the win for them. Did you think that's what the complainer wants you to do? Fight the staff, even if it's evenly and fairly, and get booted. This is one fight you shouldn't start.
- I've got another suggestion for a category. Unreliable sources. That's far less confronting, and just as true. They are unreliable. The page with the list can be changed to that as well. Problem solved. Do all your fighting elsewhere. Do all the positive stuff here - and maybe find a way to link the two. How about it? HKPH (talk) 22:49, October 19, 2018 (UTC)
- I have done a blog entry now about this issue here. TLPG 10:49, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the page "Yuval Levental". Please do not restore it.
This has been a contentious page for a long time., with various claims added and removed and the article deleted and restored. As it is a page about a non-famous person (even if he is known within the autism community) Fandom will remove it on request or when we feel it is necessary to do so. Note that this is not a matter of free speach, as Fandom has the right to host or not host any content on the site. We are choosing not to host a page on this person.
I dislike being so blunt, but I want to be clear: if you replace this page, you will be banned from Fandom.
- I am obviously angry about this decision as Levental has been spreading his message throughout Wikimedia and getting away with it (I am trying to bring down his lies and this article was an important part of this). I am just leaving this note as there will be a note that the article was restored but only to take a copy and it has been deleted again. As indicated in the edit summary it will be hosted elsewhere on the internet due to it's importance in the battle for Autism rights. Levental opposes those rights and he needs to be stopped somehow. TLPG 20:42, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
Just a note about the removal of a comment that was left here - when it should have been on The Vaccine Myth article. The user was belligerent and expecting things to be wide open here. Due to the volatile nature of matters in Autism, that just can't be allowed. The user also attacked the grammar of the article, which was insulting. While a couple of specific points were correct (ie the capitalisation of Autism and who produced and directed Vaxxed) to be told that Autism has an environmental development - read causation - is hate speech. The article linked talking about regression, which is entirely different. There is NO environmental component in causation of Autism. That is a fact. Also fact is the major role the Disneyland measles outbreak payed in a major policy change in California (SB277), something that this user ignored. Also fact is not linking unreliable sources in Wikipedia - which is distinct from other links which are allowed. The less unreliable sources linked that way the better.
As the user stated that they were not returning, I felt it appropriate to enforce that statement with an infinite block. Troublemaking of this variety is what is truly toxic. I will however be making some changes. There is no need for a consensus for it as other users are inactive. Seeking a consensus will slow matters down. TLPG 09:35, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
Here’s their grandpa https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/inquirer/obituary.aspx?pid=162957793
Here their pictures with their family https://www.instagram.com/p/uT3Q0jiaistXR-_B4tlYEudEIG__eIeIE41b00/ User:Brady1960 didn't sign
Brady1960 has a sock
Should warn you that Brady1960 has been globally blocked but she has created a sock by her own admission. https://rockyandbullwinklefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:25315
- Thanks, Lucky. I'll do that now and I'll clear the talk page as well. No need to keep that any longer. TLPG 12:20, April 19, 2020 (UTC)
Just as an update, she had more socks and they have all been blocked as has her IP. But she claims to be autistic. If she comes back in the future are you available to educate her on what she is doing wrong? She was making things up here as we know, but I seem to remember that's part of being autistic growing up isn't it? I'm not saying it's right. It may be that some genuine helpe is needed.
Oh and I had a look back at that new page that was created since you were last on this page. It looks to me like that user is putting this stuff up to promote autism as a bad thing. That user has also been on the Psychology Wikia with the same stuff. Lucky01965 (talk) 23:07, April 21, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes and my fellow admin got rid of that and the other pages and banned that user. Now I've seen that the same user is now socking. I'll be dealing with it now. Re Brady - yes what you say is true, but now that she has been banned from Wikia/Fandom she shouldn't be back. TLPG 22:56, April 27, 2020 (UTC)